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WSguy
9th September 2006, 06:28 PM
Is there any difference in the use of these terms?

GEM
9th September 2006, 07:49 PM
Beating refers to making way over ground to windward. It typically involves "pointing" almost as close to the wind as the vessel will go (pointing higher typically reduces drive and velocity falls off such that the vessel's speed over ground upwind is lower).

Pointing really refers to any point of sail (i.e., direction relative to the wind), though it seems like it is very commonly used in regard to pointing high upwind. So and so is "pointing high" often gets contracted to just "pointing", which is improper english and the source of your query. It's like when people say they had a "quality time" or "quality product", which in the vernacular they mean HIGH quality but technically their english is bad because quality is not intrinsically high - it can be low.

Thus, it is totally correct to say one is pointing offwind, across the wind, etc., because the point of sail is not dependent on the direction of the wind.

RobSwift
10th September 2006, 06:18 PM
Fella, I gleaned something from your rather verbose message, and it was quite funny as well. Over Ground? What kind of English is that? I do hope you are sailing over water.

GEM
11th September 2006, 11:35 AM
Hi again, ole buddy.

You are obviously uneducated in piloting and navigation.

Standard nautical (and aeronautical) jargon refers to progress made relative to the river/lake/ocean bottom as distance over ground. This is to differentiate it from distance throught the water (air), which is often quite a bit further due to the water (wind) current.

For instance, if you flew a plane at 500 mph, with a 100 mph tailwind, your velocity in the air is 500 mph, but your velocity over ground is 600 mph. Keep that up for long, and someone as uniformed as you would likely end up winning themself a Darwin award. The effect is equally effective on water as it is in the air.

Do yourself and everyone else on the water a favor. Take a sailing course.

WSguy
11th September 2006, 05:27 PM
Hey, GEM, you are quite the Gem. Arrogant, stupid and rather unsophisticated posts like yours only tells us how poorly you have been educated, if you have been at all. Don't expect anyone to read them. I can't believe you are lecturing Robby Swift on sailing.

Ken
12th September 2006, 03:22 AM
Guys,

Give me a break. I enjoyed GEM's post and learned something, but his second reponse to Rob was a bit overdone. However, Rob asked for it.

WSguy - you just increased your knowledge, relax a bit enjoy pointing or beating as the case may be.

Maybe more water time will take the edge off?

Phill104
12th September 2006, 03:37 AM
Are we getting the curse of Sinbad here?

GEM
12th September 2006, 09:11 AM
WSguy, Rob Swift,

People deserve to be treated with respect, and not mocked. So when you mock someone, I don't give a flip who you are, expect to get slapped. I post as one identity, because I'm not afraid of people knowing what I wrote.

Being a great windsurfer doesn't make one a SAILOR.
Baiting and/or mocking people makes one a jerk.
Those are not mutually exclusive.

So if, in fact, WSguy and Rob Swift are one and the same, then I conclude that Rob Swift is a great windsurfer, and doesn't know much about real sailing. That, or he is the kind of person who will be quickly forgotten - by fans and sponsors alike.

WSguy
12th September 2006, 06:52 PM
Blah, blah, blah, personal attacks only underscore your lack of an education.

charliewizz
12th September 2006, 09:35 PM
what you got a education !!!!:o

Justin
13th September 2006, 10:40 AM
I doubt robswift is Robby Swift. He is just a wannabe

RobSwift
15th September 2006, 06:35 PM
Surely, I'm a wannabe windsurfer, but I use my real name.

scotty
15th September 2006, 10:02 PM
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;)

scotty
15th September 2006, 10:04 PM
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

;)

scotty
15th September 2006, 10:05 PM
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm

;)

GEM
17th September 2006, 11:26 AM
WSguy wrote:
Blah, blah, blah, personal attacks only underscore your lack of an education.


No, it shows that during my LIFE I learned that everyone has value and worth, and as a result they are due courteous behavior and treatment from all. My sense of self-worth taught me that when someone violates a person's right to being treated kindly, such individuals should be called on the carpet and told in no uncertain terms that their behavior is unacceptable. Starboard may choose to tolerate miscreants, but I don't.

Philip
17th September 2006, 03:06 PM
Certainly there is room for confusion on terminology. Common points of sailing are running, reaching and beating. Another term for beating is close hauled. Beating is sailing to windward and is usually part of a tacking sequence to make ground upwind. Pointing is another term for the same thing but as GEM mentions it usually is a qualitative term to indicate how well a boat or its crew can go to windward. There is often a trade off between speed when pointing lower or distance gained to windward when pointing higher. Pointing too high is called pinching. Sail trim is important hence adjustable outhaul to flatten the sail for upwind work or to ease the profile if sailing 'freer'.

GeorgeUSA39
17th September 2006, 09:44 PM
Ban these dorks and let them go somewhere else!

WSguy
19th September 2006, 05:50 PM
Let's see, GeorgeUSA39 ought to be banned if we ban all dorks. Actually, beating the wind would be the proper English expression as one is beating it's direction of force. Pointing would be the ability to go where you are headed. The better you point, the more precise you can achieve your intended goal. Enough on this subject?

WSguy
20th September 2006, 05:04 PM
Thanks for the compliment. Actually, I wasn't able to sum it up until I read through the better posts here. Obviously, you're too much of an idiot to figure that out.

WSguy
21st September 2006, 07:24 PM
You made an offensive remark discrediting my posts. You're too stupid, arrogant or both to figure out that you were wrong.

scotty
22nd September 2006, 01:37 AM
Yeah noticed that on many other forums! Don't know why he abuses others on the forums, but it's certainly not nice! :@

I'd agree in that he should seek help. join a windsurf or other sports club and do something productive! ;)

Negative stuff on a forum won't bring you joy!! :(

FreakDrew
26th October 2006, 11:55 PM
OK, speaking of dorks... take a look at this thread:

http://www.star-board.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=21531

WSguy & RobSwift seem to be sharing the same brain. Either that or someone has too many logins too keep track of ;)

Drew

FreakDrew
27th October 2006, 12:07 AM
Oh look, there's more! Check out RobSwift's comments on this one:

http://www.star-board.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=21110

Drew, trying to catch up on the forum after sailing all fall