View Full Version : Carve 122 or 133 ?? Final decision

26th October 2006, 04:47 PM
Hi guys,
I decided to keep my GO 165 for light wind conditions and buy a CARVE for stronger wind and chops/waves. I sail since 2 years and I learned to plane with my (easy!) GO with the harness and feet in the straps (but I keep the rare strap in the middle of the board). I'm learning waterstart (OK 50% of the times). I am 84 Kg x 185cm and my sails are: 5.5, 7 and 9 mq. Which board is better for me? 122 or 133? Originally I decided to sell my GO and buy a 133. I have tested the 133 and it is fantastic!! But last week-end, with light wind of 11 knots I had fun with my GO with the 9 m sail and I tought to keep it and buy a 122 for stronger wind condition. In this case I would be able to balance on this smaller board?
Thanks again, Cheers, Paolo

26th October 2006, 09:44 PM
Hi Paolo,
The GO 165 and Carve 122 combination would seem very good for a sailor your size (84 Kg./185 lbs.).
You could probably go evn smaller to the Carve 111 if you get plenty of wind often.
I have a question for you.
Have your ever tried your GO 165 with the footstraps all the way back and outboard?
In my expereince, until you get the footstraps all the way back and outboard you really aren't getting the full potential of your board.
Are you running a smaller than stock (54-58 cm) fin or something?
At full speed, on the GO 165, with the stock fin, I would think you would need the additional "leverage" to control the 54-58 cm fin, so if you are using the center footstrap in the back you either have never taken the board to it's full top speed, or you are putting way too much strain/pressure on your rear foot/ankle/leg to control the stock fin.
Placing the rear footstraps back and outboard should give you better early planing speed and much better speed in marginal conditions with your 9.0 m2 rig and allow you to carry a larger rig in more windspeed.
Hope this helps,

27th October 2006, 06:05 PM
Dear Roger, thanks for your precious suggestions. When I tried the outboard position of my back footstrap I notice my board was drifting upwind. Probably I put to much weight on my rear foot. I will exercise to avoid this problem with the all the way back straps position. Thanks again, cheers, Paolo

27th October 2006, 07:54 PM
Errata-correge: Sorry I was meanning DOWNWIND and NOT upwind in my previous post. My english is terrible!!! :D

27th October 2006, 11:32 PM
Hi spaniard,
Was your board "drifiting" downwind when you were fully planing, or
when you were slogging along SUB planing?
Sounds like you may have 2 issues to work on here.
First, if you really learn to put ALL of your weight on the harness, harness lines and the rig, the rig will support virtually all of your weight.
So, there's no more weight on your feet, and whether you are in the center rear foot strap or the outboard rear footstrap, there's virtually no weight on your feet.
Your upper body is pretty far (as long as your arms will reach) off the upwind side of the board, and your legs are nearly parallel with the surface of the water. In this position, it's pretty hard to put any real "weight" on your feet.
You use your legs, ankles, and feet to slightly "tip" your board so it goes upwind when you tip it slightly lee rail down, and it goes downwind when you tip it alot more lee rail down.
OR, if you aren't fully planing, you can tip the board a little bit upwind rail down to go upwind, but this is somewhat slower (due to the additional drag of having alot more of the board in contact with the water).
So, if you get into the outboard rear footstrap, pull UP slightly with your front foot, and concentrate on pushing "ACROSS the top of the fin" with your back foot, your board will tip slightly to leeward (you control the amount of "tip" (the roll axis trim) with your front foot and your rear ankle) so your board begins to go upwind on the lift created by the fin rather than the shape in the bottom of your board.
2nd issue is that you may be trying to get back into the footstraps a little too soon.
Try to make this a progression based on the acceleration (speed) of the board. As long as the board is gaining speed, you are moving back at the correct rate. If the nose pops up, or the board "sticks" at one speed, you've either moved back too far too fast (nose pops up here) or you are moving back too slowly and the nose is not coming up high enough for your board to slide easily on to a plane where it can accelerate even more.
Until the board is really moving well, and on a full plane, it's too early to put your back foot into the strap (centerline or outboard).
Perhaps, you've been moving back a little too quickly and not getting enough speed for the outboard back strap to work.
The centerline strap is more forgiving here as it's closer to the center of your board, and you can get into it a little earlier without upsetting the acceleration.
So, get your weight off the board and onto the rig BEFORE you even think about getting into the back strap (front strap is OK here as it gives you an "attachment point", but don't put any weight on that front foot).
Then when the board is fully planing, you are completely hooked in, and have virtually all your weight on the rig, then think about finding that outboard and back rear footstrap.
Hope this helps,